I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my
../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

Thanks!


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Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to ALL on Tue Jul 15 2025 09:38 am

I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

The stock/default logon screens were renamed to random*.msg, but support for text/logon* was not removed - they should still display fine.
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I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

Don't think so. I have logon1.asc , logon2.asc , and logon3.asc , and
they display in order as expected.



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I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

The stock/default logon screens were renamed to random*.msg, but support for text/logon* was not removed - they should still display fine.

Mine are in ../text/menu and were displaying before. Should they be in ../text instead? I will try that in the meantime and see what happens.

Thanks!


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I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

Don't think so. I have logon1.asc , logon2.asc , and logon3.asc , and
they display in order as expected.

Hmmmm.... mine are *not* numbered. Maybe that is it. I will do some
testing with that and see if it fixes it. Thanks!

Dumb question... if you have a logon1 and a logon2, does the system display them in that order every time a user connects, or does it randomize them?


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I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

The stock/default logon screens were renamed to random*.msg, but support for text/logon* was not removed - they should still display fine.

Mine are in ../text/menu and were displaying before. Should they be in ../text instead? I will try that in the meantime and see what happens.

Just FYI, I tried this, and also tried something based on what Gamgee posted, and still no dice. It is as if the logon.asc/ans files no longer exist (although I can see them).

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Re: Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to GAMGEE on Wed Jul 16 2025 10:43 am

I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

Don't think so. I have logon1.asc , logon2.asc , and logon3.asc , and they display in order as expected.

Hmmmm.... mine are *not* numbered. Maybe that is it. I will do some testing with that and see if it fixes it. Thanks!

text/menu/logon.* does not need to be numbered. See for details: https://wiki.synchro.net/config:text_files

Dumb question... if you have a logon1 and a logon2, does the system display them in that order every time a user connects, or does it randomize them?

In order. Use text/menu/random* if you want them displayed in random order instead.
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Re: Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to digital man on Wed Jul 16 2025 10:52 am

Just FYI, I tried this, and also tried something based on what Gamgee posted, and still no dice. It is as if the logon.asc/ans files no longer exist (although I can see them).

How are you logging in? If you use fast-login, for example (placing a '!' at the begging of your login ID), logon screens aren't displayed. See exec/logon.js for more details.
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Mike Powell wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I recently upgraded to 3.21. Since the upgrade, my ../text/menu/logon.asc(ans) files have stopped displaying at login.

I poked around in ../repo/text and didn't see anything that screamed "replacement" for those files.

Have the names changed since 3.20a?

Don't think so. I have logon1.asc , logon2.asc , and logon3.asc , and
they display in order as expected.

Hmmmm.... mine are *not* numbered. Maybe that is it. I will do some testing with that and see if it fixes it. Thanks!

Dumb question... if you have a logon1 and a logon2, does the system display them in that order every time a user connects, or does it randomize them?

They are displayed in that order every time. I've removed any
'random.*' files.



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Just FYI, I tried this, and also tried something based on what Gamgee posted, and still no dice. It is as if the logon.asc/ans files no longer exist (although I can see them).

How are you logging in? If you use fast-login, for example (placing a '!' at the begging of your login ID), logon screens aren't displayed.

Not using fast login.

On the "main" system, I am logging in with SSH. I just tried it via telnet
and the logon screen doesn't display.

On the "test" system, I am logging in via telnet with the matrix. It maybe didn't display there before, I cannot remember, but I thought it did.

See exec/logon.js for more details.

Once upon a time, I actually would go in and make some minor mods to some
of the ssjs files as I could follow the logic. Looking over this file here, you might as well be asking me to translate ancient Greek. :)


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Dumb question... if you have a logon1 and a logon2, does the system display them in that order every time a user connects, or does it randomize them?

They are displayed in that order every time. I've removed any
'random.*' files.

If I can get mine to ever display again, that is good to know!


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Re: Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to DIGITAL MAN on Thu Jul 17 2025 09:56 am

Just FYI, I tried this, and also tried something based on what Gamgee posted, and still no dice. It is as if the logon.asc/ans files no longer exist (although I can see them).

How are you logging in? If you use fast-login, for example (placing a '!' at the begging of your login ID), logon screens aren't displayed.

Not using fast login.

On the "main" system, I am logging in with SSH. I just tried it via telnet and the logon screen doesn't display.

On the "test" system, I am logging in via telnet with the matrix. It maybe didn't display there before, I cannot remember, but I thought it did.

See exec/logon.js for more details.

Once upon a time, I actually would go in and make some minor mods to some
of the ssjs files as I could follow the logic. Looking over this file here, you might as well be asking me to translate ancient Greek. :)

Is it possible you just have the logon*.msg file in the wrong directory?
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Hey Mike!

On Thu, Jul 17 2025 09:56:41 -0500, you wrote:

On the "test" system, I am logging in via telnet with the matrix.
It maybe didn't display there before, I cannot remember, but I
thought it did.

You mentioned a matrix. Does this matrix possibly bypass logon.js, or use it's own logon process that doesn't display logon* or random* files?

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Is it possible you just have the logon*.msg file in the wrong directory?

They are called logon.asc and ans, not msg, here. That worked with
3.20a but maybe that has changed?

They reside in ../text/menu but, since this issue started, I have also
copied them into ../text and they still don't display.


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On the "test" system, I am logging in via telnet with the matrix.
It maybe didn't display there before, I cannot remember, but I
thought it did.

You mentioned a matrix. Does this matrix possibly bypass logon.js, or use it's
own logon process that doesn't display logon* or random* files?

Yes, but on that system I am pretty sure they were displaying before.

On this ("main") system, I am not using the matrix. The logon.js is the
stock synchronet one that I got when I downloaded 3.21 earlier this week
and they don't display here any more either.


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Re: Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to DIGITAL MAN on Fri Jul 18 2025 11:02 am

Is it possible you just have the logon*.msg file in the wrong directory?

They are called logon.asc and ans, not msg, here. That worked with
3.20a but maybe that has changed?

logon.asc and logon.ans is still supported, but you could try renaming logon.asc to logon.msg and see if that makes a difference.

They reside in ../text/menu but, since this issue started, I have also copied them into ../text and they still don't display.

Did you change your logon module (configured in SCFG->System->Loadable Modules) by chance? Or maybe you have a modified logon.js being run (e.g. mods/logon.js) instead of the normal/stock exec/logon.js?
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They reside in ../text/menu but, since this issue started, I have also copied them into ../text and they still don't display.

Did you change your logon module (configured in SCFG->System->Loadable Modules
by chance? Or maybe you have a modified logon.js being run (e.g. mods/logon.js
instead of the normal/stock exec/logon.js?

No and no, but I have had an ah-ha moment!

I logged on via telnet, and then used the syncterm scrollback feature. logon.a?? *IS* displaying, but it is going by so fast (and without pausing!) that I don't see it. Sorry I didn't think of using that feature before.

I checked and I do still have "Screen Pause: On" set in my user profile. For some reason, that pause between logon.asc/ans and Bullseye is no longer happening. So, the screens are displaying but not really.


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Re: Re: logon.asc/ans
By: Mike Powell to DIGITAL MAN on Sat Jul 19 2025 10:17 am

I logged on via telnet, and then used the syncterm scrollback feature. logon.a?? *IS* displaying, but it is going by so fast (and without pausing!) that I don't see it. Sorry I didn't think of using that feature before.

I checked and I do still have "Screen Pause: On" set in my user profile.
For some reason, that pause between logon.asc/ans and Bullseye is no longer happening. So, the screens are displaying but not really.

SyncTERM also has baud rate emulation (Alt Up/Down arrow) which can help debug situations like that.

Maybe there's an issue with the contents of your logon.ans file not allow the lines to be counted correctly. Maybe send it me for a look-see?
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Maybe there's an issue with the contents of your logon.ans file not allow the lines to be counted correctly. Maybe send it me for a look-see?

Will do. I have put an (at)PAUSE(at) at the bottom of it as a work-around.
That was the first change that had been made to it in quite a while.


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