Re: Re: race
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Jun 02 2025 12:36 pm

I think the argument is mainly that it's not quite accurate. It's fine to say your heritage is Italian, you're of Irish descent, etc., but it's not really accurate to say you're Italian if you were born & grew up in the US.

Nightfox

It is a technicism, really.

I mean, people identifies as all sorts of random stuff and we entertain their ideas. I am willing to accept that a guy who eats snails and garlic and crepees and holds typical French values is more French than a "technically correct" frenchman who doesn't.

That also works in reverse - it is hard to accept somebody as French if he advocates for genital mutilation, hanging homosexuals, and banning pork, even if he happens to technically have the nationality, because those are not values you associate with Frenchmanness.


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I look at it as something folks should be somewhat proud of, and that they
shouldn't stop doing it. I think the folks that want them to stop are trying to make us all "the same" and boring. ;)

I think the argument is mainly that it's not quite accurate. It's fine to say
your heritage is Italian, you're of Irish descent, etc., but it's not really accurate to say you're Italian if you were born & grew up in the US.

I look at it as it depends on how many generations back, and whether or not
the home you grew up in was still run with a lot of influence from "the old country" in question.

If you were raised like most American kids, it is probably inaccurate. It would be inaccurate for me to claim anything but American. OTOH, if I grew
up, say, with parents or grandparents that were immigrants from Italy, and
they still kept a lot of the old customs, the fact that I was born here
might not make is so inaccurate.


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